Injured Fledgling Magpie - advice please... - Page 12

Farplace · #**111** (**permalink**) 27-05-2011, 10:21 PM

The process of Soft Release for wildlife ensure they are not messed up. Wildlife is released when it is obvious that they can function as wild animals.

posie · #**112** (**permalink**) 27-05-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggle Avaddit

How more messed up can you get?

......Location-Outer Mongolia...Hmmmmmmm

posie · #**113** (**permalink**) 27-05-2011, 10:46 PM

..Hi rainbow, what a good outcome....I really have enjoyed your writings on this thread, your posts would make a good short story, you certainly have a knack with writing....I think it is something about the innocent way you express your feelings, anyway, whatever it is it won me over, hanging on your every word.....
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....................I know this post is sort of off thread, but do you know what, I don't care...considering the amount of flack the lass has taken from the Outer Mongolian, she's done really well..I'm sorry if that sounds patronising rainbow, but in all ways to me 'You are a Star'...

....Posie..

Doggle Avaddit · #**114** (**permalink**) 28-05-2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hedgehoggy

I think you're rather contradicting yourself here. The Red Kites in the re-introduction schemes have been bred in captivity and then released. Their success is living proof that they've not been 'messed up' by human intervention.

I suspect this is because the right people have done the right thing here. Otherwise it would not have suceeded.

That is not quite the same subject we are discussing here. i.e. introducing messed up individuals into a large breeding population and congratulating oursleves for doing so.

AndyC · #**115** (**permalink**) 28-05-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Doggle Avaddit

That is not quite the same subject we are discussing here. i.e. introducing messed up individuals into a large breeding population and congratulating oursleves for doing so.

Introducing messed up individuals into a large population is going to have very little effect on that population

I agree it will do no real good but if somone gets a warm fuzzy glow from helping a bundle of fluff then what real harm are they doing in the big picture? It makes them happy and the rescued animal is happy (based on my belief that I am happier alive than I would be dead, not that I would know if I was dead... or would I... probably best not go there!).

Andy

Doggle Avaddit · #**116** (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedgehoggy

I think you're rather contradicting yourself here. The Red Kites in the re-introduction schemes have been bred in captivity and then released. Their success is living proof that they've not been 'messed up' by human intervention.

I have actually posted this link on WAB before, but think it is worth a second posting.
It is a good example of the right people doing the right thing for the right reasons. IMHO.

BBC News - Cranes reintroduced to West Country after 400 years

Doggle Avaddit · #**117** (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 10:45 PM

Here, on the other hand, is someone not doing quite so well .....

YouTube - ‪How to inseminate a goshawk‬&rlm;

Hedgehoggy · #**118** (**permalink**) 30-05-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggle Avaddit

Here, on the other hand, is someone not doing quite so well .....

YouTube - ‪How to inseminate a goshawk‬&rlm;

Have you been on the cooking sherry again?

Q: What has an individual falconer artificially inseminating a captive goshawk for the captive falconry/hawking trade got to do with wildlife centres rearing and releasing wild birds back into the wild?

A: Zilch! Falconers frequently breed their birds by AI, and then sell the eyases on to other falconers; they’re not released into the wild after rearing.

For what that was worth, you would have been just as well to have posted a YouTube link in how to rear pheasant poults for shoots for comparison!

Armchair googling is no substitute for getting out into the real world and researching these things first-hand...

Jason Green · #**119** (**permalink**) 30-05-2011, 08:55 PM

Evening all,

If this thread is to continue, then we need to stop the one-lining quips and discuss maturely. I'm sure we all have something to say, so lets make our points without attacking the other side.

Take care,

Jason

posie · #**120** (**permalink**) 30-05-2011, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rainbowlitez

Hi again everyone! Mags went to her new home today at a wildlife hospital. They have lots of fledgling magpies there so she'll have company and make friends before she goes out into the world. She was really bright eyes and bushy tailed in the morning - she's even started making a few squarky demand noises when she got bored if I was out of the room and then she did it again when I was feeding her...much more interested in what's going on.

And when she got there, the lady at the rescue place checked her damaged wing and said it may have a slight infection but it's not broken at all so she'll get antibiotics for a few days and then go in with the rest of the fledgers

They did say that if fledgling ends up in a garden, it's likely to be abandoned anyway - so other people might want to bear that in mind. I guess if you don't know where it came from there's no chance of returning it. I thought if I kept it and kept putting her outside in a cage (with the door open) once she was fully fledged, she'd be able to fly out and come back if she needed to and kept in safe at night...but if I had done that, she'd have missed out on some basic training from other magpies and would be a slow learner...I thought it was a better thing to do because she'd get back to her 'family' as they'd be relatively local...but there's no way to know that would have happened. So if you do find a fledgling and no one's coming to it and you don't know where it's from then basically, 'putting it back where you found it' won't help - it will get it killed.

At the wildlife centre she's gone to they'll put the magpies (and they already have quite a collection!) together in an aviary...and when it's time and they're all ready - they'll open the door so they can come and go as they wish until they all have decided to go. In that time, they'll keep feeding them and locking them in at night to protect from predators (same as my parrot cage idea but bigger and with better company for her!).

And they said we can email them to see how she's getting on in a couple of weeks too

ROCK!!! I'm happy. She didn't like it in the car but now she has energy she's totally different from the shell-shocked bird I rescued - I think she's gonna be pretty bolshy. Oh...I should have asked them if she was a boy or a girl actually! LOL

We took her 'kennel' out of my room and into the back garden to clean it and found a magpie feather on the back step....I hope that's a good sign (I don't either of my cats could catch a full grown magpie) but it's a nice reminder even though it's not one of her feathers!

Happy days!!!

This is OP's last post on the forum, she hasn't posted since, I hope she comes back after the two weeks and lets us know how 'Mags' is..