Pipit ID

[FUDGEY]

Im suspecting Meadow Pipit, but it was making subtle calls that made me wonder if it might be a Tree Pipit???

PS Snail ID required too

[htcdude]

Before opening the pic full size I would've said Meadow Pipit.... after opening I would still say Meadow Pipit

Can't help with the snail, maybe Slow Reddish-brown Snail?

EDIT: Although looking at the flanks they look good for Tree...hmmmm...I think i'll stick with Meadow though

Nige

[faz]

tree pipit for me and The Dark Lipped Banded Snail (Cepaea nemoralis)

[htcdude]

The more I'm looking at it the more I'm convincing myself it's a Tree too

[FUDGEY]

Ty for the replies so far (Faz you made me laugh with the snail ID you clever clogs ) Here is a pic of it from the back as I think this might help ID it better.

[htcdude]

That pic gives a better view of the bill which looks like it fits with the Tree Pipit, also I'm convinced by the flanks that it's a Tree

Nige

[faz]

Originally Posted by FUDGEY

Ty for the replies so far (Faz you made me laugh with the snail ID you clever clogs ) Here is a pic of it from the back as I think this might help ID it better.

well at least i made some smile lol

[RoyW]

I can't really see this a Tree Pipit, and based only on these photos would put this one down as a Meadow.
To me, the bill does not look particularly heavy, the face pattern is too weak, the streaking on the breast not 'neat' enough, the flank streaking slightly too heavy, and the hind claw perhaps a little long - there is overlap in pretty much all of these features though!

[RKB]

The hind claw alone is enough to i.d. it as a Meadow Pipit (it's very long). A quick look at the relatively heavy flank streaking confirms it.

Tree Pipit have a shorter hind claw, and the flank streaks are very fine (barely more than the feather shaft in width).

[RoyW]

Originally Posted by RKB

The hind claw alone is enough to i.d. it as a Meadow Pipit (it's very long). A quick look at the relatively heavy flank streaking confirms it.

Tree Pipit have a shorter hind claw, and the flank streaks are very fine (barely more than the feather shaft in width).

Although I agree with you, I'm not convinced that the hind claw alone is enough for an ID - in some photos the hindclaws of Tree Pipits can appear deceptively long. In combination with other features, in particular the relatively heavy flank streaking, Meadow Pipit does become far more likely though. However, as I said, there is some overlap, and one of a pair of Tree Pipits that I saw recently after following up a report was far from convincing as a Tree Pipit based on most plumage features (including the flank streaking) - but there was no doubt when it started singing!

Typical Tree Pipits can be seen here (with hind claws appearing 'fairly' long in the first and third photos - though perhaps not as long as on the subject bird in this thread).