Sparrowhawk attack!

[stigofthedump]

Originally Posted by willing to learn

Very good post indeed.
Regards
Colin

I second that.
Very good post FUDGEY.


Vince

[k4t3]

Wow, am feeling very chasened indeed. I only sought a bit of advice and now feel like a murderer. I removed the dove from the cats, as if u have ever seen the way a cat toys and plays and makes its victims suffer, that would have been a worse death than from the injuries that the hawk may or may not have caused it. Because of this i thought i was doing right by giving the dove a fighting chance.
Oh and by the way the cat was not feral looking for a meal but a well stuffed family pet fed by all the neighbours.
I only came on the site to try and do the right thing, but now feel so bad that i wish i hadn't bothered. I only hope that you are more friendly to others seeking advice

[stigofthedump]

Please don’t feel bad. Don’t think anyone here is judging you. I for one have done a very similar thing in the past.
In your shoes I would have probably dispatched the bird and thought that I had done the right thing. Your thread might have a significant impact on the plight of injured animals, namely people who have read this might now know there is another option. Phone/post for advice first.
In which case you have done sick/ injured animals a great service.


Vince

[Kayleigh]

Originally Posted by k4t3

Wow, am feeling very chasened indeed. I only sought a bit of advice and now feel like a murderer. I removed the dove from the cats, as if u have ever seen the way a cat toys and plays and makes its victims suffer, that would have been a worse death than from the injuries that the hawk may or may not have caused it. Because of this i thought i was doing right by giving the dove a fighting chance.
Oh and by the way the cat was not feral looking for a meal but a well stuffed family pet fed by all the neighbours.
I only came on the site to try and do the right thing, but now feel so bad that i wish i hadn't bothered. I only hope that you are more friendly to others seeking advice

Yes it is terrible how you have been treated I suggest you listen to first few posts and ignore the weird views of some of the members on here..
In my view you did what you could and I have seen lots of birds just curl up and die of the shock..

Please don't feel at all bad and please don't be put off just let the comments ride over your head just like I do...
Its not worth arguing with them..

[valleyforge]

Originally Posted by k4t3

Wow, am feeling very chasened indeed. I only sought a bit of advice and now feel like a murderer.

I only came on the site to try and do the right thing, but now feel so bad that i wish i hadn't bothered. I only hope that you are more friendly to others seeking advice

I am truly sorry you feel that way k4t3, and I hope that it wasn't my posts that caused that (though I suspect it probably was).

In fact I was being very sympathetic to your dilemma in that you came here looking for advice ... and to my mind didn't receive any that was probably of any real use to you, and certainly none that was of use to the dove.

I most certainly was not apportioning any blame on you for what you may or may not have done, but instead was attempting to present a more balanced response within this thread, for the benefit of all those who may refer to it in the future, when dealing with a similar incident.

Please reread what I said with that in mind ... there is no animosity to you in there.

[FUDGEY]

Nor were my comments aimed at you in anyway either k4t3.

[k4t3]

Fudgey, i agree with yr previous comments. The hawks are only doing what is natural 2 them and i certainly dont get too annoyed when they take the young birds i have spent all spring feeding, nature is nature and if u say u love it u must embrace all aspects of it.
I just annoyed at the preachy answers i recieved from some contributers that made me feel like all i did was wrong, when i was only trying to help, ok so next time i'm better prepared, but its not exactly helping yr site the fact that first time posters get shot down so visciously...

[willing to learn]

Originally Posted by k4t3

Fudgey, i agree with yr previous comments. The hawks are only doing what is natural 2 them and i certainly dont get too annoyed when they take the young birds i have spent all spring feeding, nature is nature and if u say u love it u must embrace all aspects of it.
I just annoyed at the preachy answers i recieved from some contributers that made me feel like all i did was wrong, when i was only trying to help, ok so next time i'm better prepared, but its not exactly helping yr site the fact that first time posters get shot down so visciously...

you did what you thought right at the time, thats all anybody can do. In fact leaving well alone for several hours can be the best treatment for a bird suffing shock.
Regards
Colin

[Jenny W]

I hope I didn't upset you either, I was just trying to give honestly an idea of what I would do in the same situation

Unfortunetly on this site a lot of threads turn into arguments and get a bit personal (whether meant as personal or not). I always try to stay out of it. I think it's also hard sometimes to get a sense of the tone of someones post, as it's just text on a computer screen there is no way you can tell if someone means a post to be serious/joking/offensive/non-offensive etc.

The problem is I guess wildlife is an emotive subject and you are always gonna get people debating at both extremes of opinion. Don't let it get to you!

[Picidae]

Originally Posted by k4t3

Wow, am feeling very chasened indeed. I only sought a bit of advice and now feel like a murderer.....
I only came on the site to try and do the right thing, but now feel so bad that i wish i hadn't bothered. I only hope that you are more friendly to others seeking advice

Originally Posted by k4t3

I just annoyed at the preachy answers i recieved from some contributers that made me feel like all i did was wrong, when i was only trying to help, ok so next time i'm better prepared, but its not exactly helping yr site the fact that first time posters get shot down so visciously...

Isn't this a little over reaction on your part K4?

I've read this thread through several times and no where can I see you have been 'treated viciously' , in any manner that was 'unfriendly', nor have I seen you being 'shot down' ...

VF's comments were actually presented as a general comment rather than an 'attack' on you personally (a point of view not shared by many but none the less a point of view regarding the Law along with notes of caution with regard to the sort of advice that's offered in this situation). My own comments regarding leaving it for the cat were what I may have done but I was also very careful to say it's hard for any of us to judge what would have been best in that regard if we were not there or indeed, for any of us to judge from an abstract distance, the injuries that any animal might be suffering.

WAB is a friendly site with lots of experienced people in all areas of wildlife. However, people often have differing opinions on what one should do in various situations, which is not unusual for an internet forum! It would probably help you to stand back a bit and try not to take things so personally and you may find you'll enjoy the site a lot more as well as some healthy debates in the future!

[Jim Ford]

Originally Posted by Picidae

Isn't this a little over reaction on your part K4?

I've read this thread through several times and no where can I see you have been 'treated viciously' , in any manner that was 'unfriendly', nor have I seen you being 'shot down' ...

VF's comments were actually presented as a general comment rather than an 'attack' on you personally (a point of view not shared by many but none the less a point of view regarding the Law along with notes of caution with regard to the sort of advice that's offered in this situation). My own comments regarding leaving it for the cat were what I may have done but I was also very careful to say it's hard for any of us to judge what would have been best in that regard if we were not there or indeed, for any of us to judge from an abstract distance, the injuries that any animal might be suffering.

WAB is a friendly site with lots of experienced people in all areas of wildlife. However, people often have differing opinions on what one should do in various situations, which is not unusual for an internet forum! It would probably help you to stand back a bit and try not to take things so personally and you may find you'll enjoy the site a lot more as well as some healthy debates in the future!

Good post, particularly the last paragraph.

A couple of posters appeared to have been deeply offended recently over what I would consider to be no more than a lively exchange of views. Perhaps spending 30+years in an industrial environment has desensitised me!

Jim