More bird ID help

[Tursiops2]

Pic 3: a tricky one, obviously, but the size of the head in proportion to the body, and the high nape giving the head a "crested" look, say "Whitethroat" to me.
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[Jason Green]

This is good...

100% wren for me!

[Fieldfare95]

Kro, the bird in the picture appears to be singing, can you remember what it sounded like? as robins and wrens sound very different

[kro]

Thanks everyone for your help. Terrible admission, I know, but I have to say that I was so taken with the third one as a photo - the plane tracks in the background appeared just at the right moment - that I paid almost no attention to the bird at all. It certainly didn't register as being anything remotely unusual. So that doesn't help at all...if I had been paying attention, hugely poor as my birding skills are, I would certainly have been able to differentiate between a robin and a wren!

[Jenny W]

If you zoom in on the image quite far in - is it just me or (dare I suggest this!) can anyone else get a bit of colour on it, or is it an optical illusion....

[RoyW]

Originally Posted by Jenny W

If you zoom in on the image quite far in - is it just me or (dare I suggest this!) can anyone else get a bit of colour on it, or is it an optical illusion....

I had already noticed the colour on the throat, but had decided to stay out of this one (I guess that didn't work though!). There is also similar colour visible under the tail, which does suggest that it could all be optical illusion - but there is more obviously a 'lighting' effect on the rear of the bird. I believe that any apparent striping visible on the bird (on the wings or elsewhere) is also a photographic effect, and the apparent shortness of the primaries and tail is due to the angle from which the photograph has been taken.
I would also say that young birds can be ruled out, simply because the bird is singing.

I think that the bird is a Robin, partly because the shape and tail length seem to fit better to me, and partly because the type of song post is more regularly used by Robins (Wrens will occassionally sing from high, exposed perches though).

Roy.

[Hedge Witch]

Funnily enough, the exposed perch thing was what convinced me that it might be Wren I did a Google search for "wren singing" or something like that, and this is the sort of image I found.

[Tursiops2]

I still think its a Whitethroat - the posture just doesn't seem right for either Wren or Robin. But then I'm rubbish at ID'ing from photos.

[Hedge Witch]

I tried to manipulate the photo to identify features/colours on the bird, bit there isn't enough detail. So I think we can only look at the overall shape and some feathers around the edges, where the light is better. The feathers under the tail are a brown colour, not white or cream, which rules out Robin, I think