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Old 31-05-2009, 09:42 PM
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New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

Greetings all,

New to this site and looking forward to sharing more.

We have recently moved into a new property in Nottingham with a wonderful large backyard that is far more reminicent of NZ than our previous UK estate house and its 10x10 backyard. Wildlife galore and a natural stream running across the back of the property. It is already landscaped into 5 pools which cascade into each other, concrete bases with what I suspect to be a clear plastic liner and then surrounded by large stones concreted into place. However the last two have leaks and I would really appreciate some advice as to what is the easiest way to deal with them as we certainly do not intend to lose them.

Working backwards:
Pool 5 is now empty and has been cleaned. Approximately 2.5 m long, 1m wide and 0.3m deep. We emptied an entire waterbutt into it and within a few hours the water level had dropped to about 8-10cm deep.
Pool 4 is half full and about the same size. It currently only holds water to a depth of about 10-12 cm although this is sufficient to sustain a huge number of tadpoles. Heavily silted we have spent this weekend lifting out what we can which at least means the tadpoles can swim around in a few cm of water rather than thrash about in the muck. At one edge I am sure I can hear water gurgling (although have to be on hands and knees) where I suspect one of the leaks are.
Pool 3 is in great condition, little silt, flows easily into Pool 4 and has a load of small fish (sticklebacks?) and a few hardy tadpoles hiding in the shallows. Size wise about the same as 4 and 5 although a bit deeper with a concrete bridge over it.
Pool 2 is a bit smaller at about 2m long and about 0.3 m deep and this one is heavily silted although full of plants (bullrushes maybe). We have removed some of the sludge in the more open places to allow the small fish here more space to move around. Easily cascades into Pool 3.
Pool 1 is also heavily silted and full of plant life. As a result the actual free water level is only about 2cm at best although again the tadpoles are loving it. It is fed by a 3inch pipe from the neighbours (who has a similar makeup although at least two of his ponds have been concreted and fibreglassed!)We have done nothing to this one as yet.

Interestingly enough the neighbouring property beyond Pool 5 has running water so I am guessing that what is escaping Pool 4 is finding its way underneath Pool 5 into their propoerty anyway.

One thought was to simply line them and reconcrete them but I am loath to lose another few inches of depth. At this stage I am anticipating a few long weekends of concrete breaking, digging, relining etc but hopefully someone has experience or ideas that I could try.

Apologies this is so long and that there are no images as yet. Will upload them if anyone feels they would help. Appreciate you reading and look forward to hearing more. Cheers.
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Old 31-05-2009, 09:51 PM
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Re: New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

Images would certainly help. Glad the taddies are hanging in there
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Old 31-05-2009, 09:58 PM
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Re: New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

Cheers Galanthus, will see what I can do tomorrow.
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Re: New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

Hi, and a warm welcome to WAB. You can buy products to repair concrete pnds but unfortunately I don't know where from, possibly Garden Centres. The following link may help though:

How to find pond leak. Leaking pond or drop in pond water levelxexe
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Re: New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

Hi UkKiwi and welcome to the forum

That's a very interesting (and complicated ) set-up you've inherited
Photos are essential, I think, but a few initial thoughts:

1. It sounds like pond 1 is meant to be a silt trap, but as it's full, it's no longer functioning as such. Cleaning this out should be a priority, but best to leave it until autumn/winter to keep disturbance to a minimum.

2. Shallow water is good for wildlife. The greatest biodiversity occurs in water less than 10cm deep, so it may be worth keeping the lower ponds shallow and not worrying about leaks. But...

3. If you're right, and water from the ponds is esaping into your neighbour's garden, you should certainly do something about it, as legally it may constitute an actionable nuisance. Have your neighbours said anything?

Looking forward to seeing some photos
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:36 AM
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Re: New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

Images as promised - loving this sunny weather!
Standing on the bridge over Pond 3 and looking back up to Ponds 2&1.

Standing on the bridge over Pond 3 and looking down to Ponds 4&5.

Pond 1 which we have yet to touch. Need to identify the plant as it seems pretty invasive.

Pond 2 showing where we ahve removed some of the silt. Still heavily silted and unsure if the plants here are bulrushes or iris's?

Similar cascade in all the ponds. Not exactly as rushing torrent but a steady trickle none the less.

Pond 3 which is in great nick. Plenty of small fish life (although tadpoles not so comfortable).

Pond 4 which is only holding about 8cm of water at best. We have dug out some of the silt but plenty left to get rid of. Only so much one can achieve with hands and an old colander!

Full view of Pond 4 showing how much more it could hold!

Pond 5 is totally empty although it will hold a few cm. Have cleared it to discourage the mosquitoes until we are able to sort it out.

Looking from the garden with the stream running right to left.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:41 AM
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Re: New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

Hi Tursiops,

Good thought on the first pond being a silt trap. Given that pond 3 is in such great nick with 1&2 silted then can follow that idea. (knew the engineering degree would come in handy one day!)

As for shallow water, each of the ponds has rocks on the side providing shallow areas so would really like to see the main pools filled. My neighbour has allowed their garden to go back to nature and as such, is not concerned at all. As the stream is natural anyway they fully expect it to continue (although they would certainly not be impressed if we were to put in a reticulating system!)

Images now posted.

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Re: New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

I would say your choices are a butyl liner or line them with fibre glass. If you repair the concrete it will probably only crack elsewhere later on. By fitting butyl you will be able to do the job yourself but have to contend with wrinkles. If you go the fibreglass route it is probably easier, less sticky and smelly to get a local pond company in to do the job, although it is possible to do it yourself. There are lots of fibreglass suppliers on the web that should be able to point you in the right direction.
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Re: New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

Hi Geoff,

Any idea how thick the fibregalss would need to be? Also I am guessing I would have to dig out the surrounding rockery first, line with fibreglass and then resite the rocks?

Cheers for your ideas.
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Re: New house with natural stream needing repair - help required

Thanks for putting the pics up UkKiwi, they help a lot, but they also raise as many questions as they answer .

First, a couple of caveats:

1. I'm not an expert. I'm a garden designer with a particular interest in wildlife gardens, and I know something about designing, constructing, and maintaining wildlife ponds; but restoring an old and delapidated water feature like that is a little beyond my expertise.

2. Even if I was an expert, I'd be wary of giving specific advice on such a complex feature without a site visit and closer examination. Unfortunately, you're too far away for that to be possible. Which is a pity, because I'd love to have a poke around in there


In the end, it may pay you to get on-site professional advice, but, for what they're worth, some thoughts:

1. The feature appears to be very shady, which is generally not good for ponds and pond life. What time of day was it, and what direction were you facing when you took the photo from the balcony? Does the feature get full sun at any time during the day?

2. If the pools are fed by ground water, the chances are that this is polluted by run-off from gardens and nearby roads. If so, this will always be problematical. Are you absolutely sure this is a natural watercourse that's been dammed?

3. I'm puzzled by the construction technique you describe - concrete over plastic? It's usually the other way around if both materials are used. I suspect that this is simply an earlier, and rather amateurish, attempt to deal with the leak(s).

4. You have young children? In this case, I should point out that children can drown in a few centimetres of water, and netting only the centre pool may not really remove the risk.


As you've only recently moved in, if I were in your shoes, I'd be inclined to the following (in the absence of expert advice):

1. Leave it alone for the rest of the summer. Monitor water flow, sunlight, algae growth; ID the plants and wildlife already there; get the water analysed for contaminants; and generally just see what happens to it as the year progresses.

2. Try and ascertain the actual source of the water, and what actually happens to it when it leaves your property.

3. Look into the practicalities of establishing the top two pools as a Reed-bed filtration system. This is what first springs to my mind as a way of cleaning the water, but I really don't know how practical or effective it would be for such a small area.

4. Give serious thought to digging out the lower two pools and rebuilding them completely. This would be a big job, but do-able I think, and would give you the opportunity to redesign them specifically for wildlife, if that's what you want.

That's a fine garden you've acquired, with a lot of potential. What are your long-term aims for it?

Hope that's helped.
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