Bird of Prey ID?

[aeshna5]

Originally Posted by Tobermorey

I don't think we're ever going to agree on this. Having read the arguments from Roy and Pic, and by looking at photos I have taken of Hobbies recently, I still believe its a Hobby - but who cares what I think?

Anyway, here's a shot where I managed to get Hobby and Marsh Harrier together.

I think you're right, we're going to have to agree to disagree. There are a few of us who are confident this is a Hobby + equally a couple of others who are equally adamant it's a Peregrine!

[RoyW]

My final post on this topic;

I agree that no concensus will be reached on the ID of the bird in the original photos - but in any post like this, where an identification is disputed, I think that more can be learnt (by everyone) if forum members give reasons for the ID they suggest. I am personally always open to reasoned arguments that might change my mind.

Finally - I hope that similarities between the subject bird and this pic didn't help convince you that the original bird was a Hobby Tobermory.

Although this bird is in the Gallery as a Hobby, it is actually a juvenile Peregrine (apart from the structure, Hobbies never have barred undertail coverts - which can be seen in this photo). I linked this photo because I thought that it might be the Peregrine Daffy66 was refering to - and because it was a good illustration of the way the two species could be confused!
Apologies if I misled anyone!

Roy.

[Picidae]

Originally Posted by willing to learn

. I tend to go on what my eyes tell me rather than decriptions quoted in bird books.
Regards
Colin

As do those of us who have given good structural reasons for why the original ID bird is a Hobby IOV. I've also watched Peregrines and Hobbies for years (flying free in all sorts of various posture flights, from feeding to breeding to hunting).

However, like Roy, I'd be interested in your reasonings for being so adamant that the original bird is a Peregrine. Some of us are 'willing to learn'.

Re: pic above: As Roy has pointed out: the finely barred undertail coverts are diagnostic and separate this young Peregrine from a juvenile Hobby which has cleaner buff belly, trousers and unbarred undertail coverts as well as a thinner more pointed moustachial stripe.

[Fieldfare95]

Have had a good, hard study of the original pictures and have now changed my mind to peregrine. I feel a hobby would be sleeker and if you look really close you can see that the moustachial strip is quite thick.

[daffy66]

sorry guys my mistake its by ian gray on page 4 of the BOP and owls section. theres pics of both. still hard to choose between them though.

john

[HanDiiMaNz]

100% Hobby.

[wildwilly]

seriously the poor old person that made this thread must be almost dying from us lot bickering i wish i didn't chuck my thoughts in! lol!
i think that its a probby, a cross breed between a hobby and a peregine.
will

[daffy66]

or a perribby

[Tobermorey]

Originally Posted by RoyW

My final post on this topic;

Finally - I hope that similarities between the subject bird and this pic didn't help convince you that the original bird was a Hobby Tobermory.


Roy.

No, I hadn't looked at this photo. Now that I have, I can see why there could be some initial confusion - but look at the broad wing base and the overall "chunky" appearance.
My first impression of the bird under discussion was Hobby and I've seen nothing to change my mind.

[wildwilly]

Originally Posted by daffy66

or a perribby

lets not start another debate now.

will