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07-10-2008, 12:37 PM
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This picture appears in "Birds of Britain" by Maurice Burton D.Sc.
1962 Hamlyn publication this image is from the 1971 edition it does have a title but for now I'll keep it back. Do you know what it is, Good luck. 
I'll post the text atributed to this pic tonight at 6.00
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07-10-2008, 12:44 PM
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lol, looks like a cross-bread between a plover and a lapwing  .
jokes aside i have no idea 
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07-10-2008, 12:45 PM
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The nearest I can get is an Australian Banded Lapwing Vanellus tricolor.
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07-10-2008, 01:18 PM
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dunno but another (same) pic on the gallery by you says "Kentish" so I'll go for Kentish polver. |
07-10-2008, 01:20 PM
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07-10-2008, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DuncanE  dunno but another (same) pic on the gallery by you says "Kentish" so I'll go for Kentish polver. | HA, fell into the trap nicely 
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07-10-2008, 01:56 PM
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Looks like a plover, but not any that I know!??? I've not got a clue! 
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07-10-2008, 02:05 PM
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Just to add a little more info, the picture and text appeared in both the 1962 and 1971 editions. I am reliably informed.
Sorry the black and white image doesn't help much.
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07-10-2008, 02:08 PM
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I agree with adam, looks like an australian banded lapwing to me. Not one I'd ever heard of until I went looking to ID this one. |
07-10-2008, 02:14 PM
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Funny
They are endemic to Australia so i presume the illustration was a mistake in a book about british birds 
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07-10-2008, 04:25 PM
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I'd go for the Aussy bird too . Although there are a couple of others which get somewhere near, i don't think that even with the fact it's a b&w image that the tones work.
Be interesting to learn what the say it is. |
07-10-2008, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sometimes I'd Be interesting to learn what the say it is. | All in good time, all in good time. 
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07-10-2008, 05:04 PM
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Its a black legged spectacled plover, which were endemic to Romney marshes only until 1979.
Seriously - its quite close to grey plover or american golden plover, on the change between moults. Good fun.
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07-10-2008, 06:07 PM
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As promised here is the text attributed to the picture. 
So what do you think now ?
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07-10-2008, 06:31 PM
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A bit of a cock-up!
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07-10-2008, 06:56 PM
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Just to prove the text goes with the picture. 
But Hamlyn had this mistake in print from 1962 - 1971 in 2 editions, you would have thought they would have corrected it for the 2nd edition.
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07-10-2008, 07:07 PM
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lol, at least i was on the ball with the lapwing/plover thing, everyone said it was either a kind of lapwing or plover
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07-10-2008, 07:23 PM
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This was my first bird spotting Id book as a kid I thought "oneday I'll see everything in this" even though its only got 61 birds in it, just think of all the times I might have seen a Kentish Plover and looked in the book and said "Naw thats not it"
But I did find out what exactly the bird in the pic is, its a .............. 
BANDED LAPWING well done Adam, took me a few years to find out what it was.
But what is it doing in a Book of "British Birds" as Lance says its endemic to Australia
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07-10-2008, 10:30 PM
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Imagine identifying the bird as a Kentish Plover from the picture and thinking nothing more of it. What a tick that would have been (kentish aside) |
08-10-2008, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Morph HA, fell into the trap nicely | I did say I didn't know. Though a Willow/Marsh something or other did cross my mind I didn't want to start that again! |
08-10-2008, 01:27 PM
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It makes you wonder how the very eminent sounding Maurice Burton D.Sc got it all so very wrong, yet nobody ever pulled it up.
It would suggest Maurice Burton DSc had never seen a Kentish Plover in his life, yet was considered qualified enough to write a book on "British Birds".
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08-10-2008, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Morph It makes you wonder how the very eminent sounding Maurice Burton D.Sc got it all so very wrong, yet nobody ever pulled it up.
It would suggest Maurice Burton DSc had never seen a Kentish Plover in his life, yet was considered qualified enough to write a book on "British Birds". |
I doubt it was Maurice Burton's fault. He is unlikely to have selected the photos, but some commissioning editor. |
08-10-2008, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by aeshna5 I doubt it was Maurice Burton's fault. He is unlikely to have selected the photos, but some commissioning editor. | But to let the error run for 9years
Mr Burton D.Sc must have at least looked at the book in that time, and if he had noticed the fault you would have thought he would ask for the picture to be replaced for the 2nd edition. Which makes me think he didn't know what a Kentish Plover was.
What do you think.
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09-10-2008, 07:26 AM
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Had a thought over-night, perhaps a disgruntled commissioning editor / ghost writer was responsible and added the image to show how little Mr Burton knew, but then how did it get past the proof reader/s.
My reason for thinking this is the sheer obscurity of the bird, if it was the image of a juvenile Ringed Plover say, then you could perhaps understand it slipping through. But someone has gone great deal of trouble to get this image and insert it.
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09-10-2008, 05:11 PM
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The book was written by the same people who did GMTV's WT Eagle piece.
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