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Old 11-07-2005, 11:39 PM
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eagle owl sighting

eagleowl sighted 3 miles north of galashiels
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Old 12-07-2005, 07:02 AM
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Not too far up into Scotland as well. Is this about as far south as people are seeing them this year?
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Old 12-07-2005, 10:15 AM
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What's the story with these - are they escapes , captive breeders / reintroductions or genuine colonisers ?
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Old 12-07-2005, 11:01 AM
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Someone has actually been releasing them illegally here in Scotland. They seem to think that because they once lived wild here it's OK to re-indroduce them now. However, there are no longer the same food sources available to these giant birds nowadays. The one that was spotted in Balerno recently took to preying on peoples cats and small dogs. Why don't people think before they go ahead with stupid ideas like this.
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Old 12-07-2005, 01:08 PM
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Eileen ( or anyone else ) , am I right in thinking that there is little or no evidence of Eurasian Eagle Owl in the UK since before the Ice Age and that human activity played no part in their localised extinction ?

On a lighter note - this is for Eileen - are you familiar with a little riverside pub in Balerno - I once had very nice V*****n Burgers ( censored for deer lovers) with a couple of pints, but can't remember the name of the place
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Old 12-07-2005, 05:29 PM
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Was it down in the dell WW 'cause if it was I'm afraid that pub closed down a couple of years ago. Are you from West Lothian then origionally? I live in Livingston Village - do you know it by any chance?
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Old 13-07-2005, 06:52 AM
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Eileen - at the risk of boring anyone else reading this - I do believe it was the pub in the location you mention - sorry to say I am originally from the comedy suburb of London that is Sidcup, but had a very enjoyable holiday in Edinburgh some years ago - have to say absolutely loved the Pentlands !!

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ps did the pub get closed as a result of ravening Eagle Owls ?!
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Old 14-07-2005, 11:32 AM
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Old 14-11-2005, 07:44 PM
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Re: eagle owl sighting

After reading this thread and many others on the net regarding so called wild Eagles Owls populating the UK, I hope you don't mind but I felt I would like to add my feelings & knowledge to this interested & misleading thread.

European/Eurasian Eagles Owls are not native to the UK.

Fossil remains have been found up north dating back many years ago but this linked to a time when the UK land mass was joined to Europe. It is very sad that Eagle Owls are very common in captivity with a price tag of £100 or free to good homes. They breed very easy in captivity & are legally sold to the public by Falconry Centres & end up being kept as pets in peoples back gardens in built up areas. It is quite common that once they become unwanted or badly trained they end up loose in the UK countryside. There has been no proof of the species migrating to the UK!! What amazes me is that there a few so called conservationists out there who would love to see more loose in the UK. That is not UK Conservation!

Working with trained Eagles myself on a daily basis day & night I can say that they are not designed to fly huge distances, they are designed to glide at ground level mainly because of their size & hunting techniques. Flying high makes them a big target to be attacked. Why the European Eagle Owl (bubo bubo) would leave mainland Europe to join our small island is beyond me. The shortest flight distance from Dover to Calais is 24 miles. If proof was provided regarding migration then me & others who have an interest would listen but until then lets have the so called professionals mislead us all to believing that this species are wild UK birds.

There is a conservation concern because Eagles Owls will kill & eat Tawny Owls, Little Owls & Barn Owls, this we have witnessed, not with our birds but with escapees we have monitored & recaptured.

Sorry for the above but I thought it was only right to add a bit of knowledge to this discussion on the Eagle Owl.

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Old 14-11-2005, 08:05 PM
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Re: eagle owl sighting

Hi Vincent and welcome to the forum.

Thanks very much for your contribution to this thread. I fully agree with you regarding the keeping of these owls as pets. In fact any owl.

Couple of points I'm interested in:

I'm not sure which "professionals" you are referring to in your post.

What percentage (approx) of an Eagle Owls diet consists of other owls? Point taken, that it will depend on their habitat etc.

Look forward to more of your contributions to the forum
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Old 14-11-2005, 10:04 PM
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Re: eagle owl sighting

There are some Eagles Owls that breed in Britain. If you are interested there is a film on Eagle Owls breeding in the North of Britain that will be shown this Wednesday (16 Nov) at 8pm on BBC 2.
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Old 15-11-2005, 06:08 AM
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Re: eagle owl sighting

Hi Helen, thanks for the welcome. What I meant by professionals, these are certain UK Conservationists who would like to see more Eagle Owls living & breeding in the wild.

Thanks John for letting me know about the Eagle Owl programme soon to be on TV, this I will watch with interest. Hopefully this programme will highlight the reality & impact it could have on our small island, if not I think more people will be illegally releasing their unwanted birds, if this occurs it will have a devasting effect on localised UK wildlife.

I have written the below regarding my concerns I have with Eagle Owls within the UK.

European/Eurasian Eagle.
Approximate Body Weights: Males from 3.5lbs to 5.5lbs - Females from 5lb to approximately 11 to 14lbs
Predators: Man, Golden Eagle, Bald Eagle.
Flight: Very low to the ground, this will make it very vulnerable if flying across UK road networks

The diet can vary from ground prey, this being small rodents up to the size of a Fox or small deer. Ground birds will also form part its diet for example: Pheasants, Grouse, Partridge etc, this will be to the dislike of many gamekeepers who would persecute it to protect their stock. Regarding smaller & less powerful Owls such as Tawny Owls, Little Owls & Barn Owls, yes these will on occasions form part of the Eagle Owls diet with most being taken during the night whilst they are in flight or even perched. The stealth like hunting techniques used by the Eagle Owl will make UK Owls very vulnerable in areas they inhabit. On occasions I have witnessed what a few escapees can do to a localised Owl population especially from one that was loose in Glastonbury for 18months, it took a few years after its re-capture for the local Owl population to regenerate its self. The conservation impact can be huge! Eagles do not sit back & say ahhh look at that Barn Owl isn't it beautiful, only humans do that! An Eagle Owl will simply take it out. To take out any aerial conflict or vulnerable species at night would be in the Eagle Owls favour.

The Eagle Owl can hunt both day & night. Because this is non native species to the UK it will at times when visible be constantly mobbed throughout the day, mobbing will be by crows, jackdaws, rooks, magpies, seagulls, buzzards & other diurnal birds of prey. This constant conflict/mobbing will be delivered to drive it out of the area, eventually the Eagle Owl will need to find a safer place to take refuge, somewhere where it can take cover & relax. When night time comes this is where the Eagle Owl will be in its element, this will be a safe time to venture out into its new environment & to find prey.

The question is what can mob an Eagle Owl at night or conflict with its ability to hunt safely without being disturbed. This is where the UK Owl population will sadly fall into its diet. Tawny Owls will naturally mob an Eagle Owl simply to defend its territory, this I have witness with escapees I have been called out to, in addition to this I do witness this most evenings with the Eagle Owls I work with as they have the opportunity to fly at night. We have had Tawny Owls attacking our Eagle Owls whilst they are in their aviaries.

Imagine a Barn Owl gently quartering the open fields hunting, to an Eagle Owl this will be an easy meal as it will launch from its perch with the aim of quickly getting to ground level in a stealth like manner, it will then raise up underneath the Barn Owl & grab it in mid flight like a shark attack then to return back to its perch with one dead Barn Owl or lunch!

Operating a rescue/conservation Centre I do find the Eagle Owl a fascinating bird to work with especially with the problems they face in captivity or the Pet trade. I have set a personal task to learn more about its ability, this helps me when I get called out to an escapee. One of our Eagle Owls is worked in natural conditions, this allows me to study its behaviour & the behaviour of surrounding wildlife, which conflict with it. The catching of food in mid flight I demonstrate daily. Flying him during the night or the early morning hours of the morning is an experience & I do witness on occasions 1 or 2 Tawny Owls mobbing or attacking him. He does look out for them & on occasions have chased after them in a bid to take them out, with me being present I have managed to control the situation with no casualties as yet. I must state with this type of training my intentions are not to hunt with the Eagle Owl(s) its to understand them.

To observe this behaviour at close quarters most days does give me the ability to understand more about the Eagle Owl & its natural behaviour. Sometimes I fly 2 Eagle Owls during the day & during the night, that is something else! Together they more or less work together in the territory they know, the behaviour they both show is very similar to the behaviour seen in Tawny Owls. Day time both Eagle Owls can be seen being mobbed by the corvid family (crows etc) & also by local Buzzards, Kestrels & the occasional Peregrine Falcon & Hobby. This shows me how they deal with the situation they are faced with.

For a small island the question must be asked if our environment can sustain such a powerful night time predator? Also how can one work to conserve wild Barn Owls, Little Owls & Tawny Owls with wild Eagle Owls present?

Please excuse any spelling or grammar errors in the above, now I think I need coffee & a bacon sandwich

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Old 15-11-2005, 10:11 AM
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Re: eagle owl sighting

Here is a link to the story of these Owls. There is a feeling that these birds are in fact not escapee's but have possibly flown across the English Channel.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...14/ixhome.html

I have a friend that actually knows the Landowner where these Owls are and I have received an invite to go and see them in the Spring when hopefully some more chicks will have arrived. An invite I have obviously accepted.
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I have a friend that actually knows the Landowner where these Owls are and I have received an invite to go and see them in the Spring when hopefully some more chicks will have arrived. An invite I have obviously accepted.
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Re: eagle owl sighting

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For a small island the question must be asked if our environment can sustain such a powerful night time predator? Also how can one work to conserve wild Barn Owls, Little Owls & Tawny Owls with wild Eagle Owls present?

Please excuse any spelling or grammar errors in the above, now I think I need coffee & a bacon sandwich

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Hi Vincent
That's a very interesting perspective on a potentially contentious issue. There's a thread running on Birdforum at the moment to which I think you could make a valuable contribution.
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=41993

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Re: eagle owl sighting

There is a couple of threads going on in Birdforum regarding this issue at the moment. Anyone's participation would be useful.
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Old 15-11-2005, 11:31 AM
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Do you fancy going Diane. If so I can ask the question. If they agree that you can join me it must be kept quiet. Not everyone is allowed on this land only a select few.
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Re: eagle owl sighting

As Vincent as pointed out, there are many discussions going on in plenty of web places regarding this very subject at the moment. I'm sure there is also a lot of mis-information out there too.

For the record, there was also one very very close to me too.
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Re: eagle owl sighting

Hi everyone.

For those who admire & treasure UK wildlife surely the real concern is not what we think as humans its how our native wildlife would feel about having non native Eagle Owls move in around them. Its a shame UK wildlife could not voice their concerns.
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For those who admire & treasure UK wildlife surely the real concern is not what we think as humans its how our native wildlife would feel about having non native Eagle Owls move in around them. Its a shame UK wildlife could not voice their concerns.
Indeed!

Thanks for clarifying your point re the professionals, if wonder if they are in the minority?

Any idea what the RSPB's take on it is? I haven't had a nosy around yet, so have no idea what their opinion is.
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Re: eagle owl sighting

I think they are concerned but I have been told by an insider that a single pair are being monitored at one of their reserves. Whether there is any true in this I cannot say. Maybe tomorrows programme on BBC2 will tell us something. I will be very interested to see!
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Do you fancy going Diane. If so I can ask the question. If they agree that you can join me it must be kept quiet. Not everyone is allowed on this land only a select few.
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I think they are concerned but I have been told by an insider that a single pair are being monitored at one of their reserves. Whether there is any true in this I cannot say. Maybe tomorrows programme on BBC2 will tell us something. I will be very interested to see!
Let's hope the programme sticks to facts, and doesn't try to sensationalize the whole thing.
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Re: eagle owl sighting

Some great comments here people, and while I completely trust Vincent Jone's statement I think now the Eagle Owl has arrived [and it seems its happy enough], we should embrace it.

Firstly over the past few years we've had a very big Rabbit population increase, this is why the Common Buzzard is once again, a regular round our skies. Thus a good food source for the Owl.

Secondly, the EA may not need to attack other owls just yet. My town of Oldham has become home to a beautiful buzzard [not the common], i'm not sure what type it is, however point being is I think it was blown adrift from Europe and is now too lazy to fly back, which is what i think may have happened to these Eagle Owls. The buzzard i'm talking about actually eats pigeon, that's good ? Will Owls not do this? Britain has a lot of pigeon.

Thirdly, Fox hunters have now replaced their guns with Eagle Owls, I saw a photo and artical in a broadsheet recently. They sniff the Fox out and then unleash the owl, which goes and kills the Fox. So it may not be just bad pet traders that release them.

Finally, as cruel as it may be, Eagle Owls are good for business. They attract tourism.

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