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25-02-2008, 07:22 AM
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What definitely rules out Yellowhammer? and since when do Dunnocks have pale outer tail feathers, or tail so long and notched? |
25-02-2008, 09:10 AM
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I'm flumoxed, the longish tail throws me, but I do agree that Dunnocks have a very melodic call, we have some in the garden and one sits in a Hawthorn tree next to one of our Lleyandi hedges not too far from our back door where they nest and it sings and sings even when I'm hanging my washing out |
25-02-2008, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by oxycera  What definitely rules out Yellowhammer? and since when do Dunnocks have pale outer tail feathers, or tail so long and notched? | A yellowhammer is a bunting and as such has a broader seed eating bill, this bird has a finer beak designed more for eating insects - the build is also a bit different for a bunting. The paler outer tail feathers could just appear lighter because the sun is behind the bird and shining through /reflecting off the outer feathers.....
My first thought was robin before it was lightened and now I know it isn't however, I am not certain actually that its even possible to be certain on an ID from this pic....... |
25-02-2008, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Salter | I think we all agree on one thing then..A better photo would be needed for a positive ID..  |
25-02-2008, 04:43 PM
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How about Mistle Thrush? |
25-02-2008, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RobinP How about Mistle Thrush? | The beak is too thin in the picture..Thrush and blackbirds have a thicker beak.
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25-02-2008, 07:53 PM
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This is a jolly good hoot for sure!
Seemingly like several on here, I don't get the Hedge Sparrow (or Dunnock) vibe that much either. Just on the evidence, I get it a damn sight more than any other suggestion, including my two earliest ones. 
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26-02-2008, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Kayleigh The beak is too thin in the picture..Thrush and blackbirds have a thicker beak. |
Beak looks fine to me... bird is far too big for Dunnock based on the size of the leaves and fruit around it... also breast is too large and white speckled breast extends all the way up the throat to the beak, unlike Dunnock where it becomes brown then grey.
Definitely a thrush. |
26-02-2008, 04:44 PM
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Well I give up.. |
27-02-2008, 11:27 AM
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Had a go at adjusting the photo
don't know if it helps
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27-02-2008, 06:17 PM
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OK one last go Redwing. |
27-02-2008, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kayleigh OK one last go Redwing. | 10/10 for persistence 
But, the problem with all the Thrush family is that the chest markings are quite clear - even in bad light - and yet this bird doesn't show any distinct marks at all.
Plus the tail on a Redwing isn't that long really and it doesn't have much of a song. |
27-02-2008, 07:52 PM
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Im still calling her "Florence" lol
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27-02-2008, 07:52 PM
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Looks like a juv robin again now so i think i'l sit this one out 
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27-02-2008, 09:13 PM
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Cheers for the replys, Dan's nightingale looks quite promising in my eyes. I also will say once again it wasnt a Dunnock of that im sure. And it carnt be a redwing as it was taken in the summer. Maybe another unsolved mystery.
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27-02-2008, 09:45 PM
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What makes you so sure it wasn't a dunnock? You said the song was complex but you didn't say which species it was similar to, so I'm guessing that you are not very experienced at identifying birds by song/call alone.
The photo you took was so dark that you, yourself, were looking at nothing more than a silhouette until the WABbers enhanced it and we could make out something of its characteristics.
The latest enhancement is still a Dunnock for me. I can see the small notch in the tail and the white on the wing coverts, the fine bill and the characteristic overall shape.
Even juvenile robins have heavy marking on the breast, which this clearly hasn't.
The tail isn't long it's just perspective. Dunnocks characteristically depress their tails when perched on branches, so it has been presented squarer to the lense than the body.
But, hey, it's your photograph, if you want it to be an ostrich, it can be for you.
I thank you for posting it, as I never knew the humble hedge-sparrow could provide so much fun! |
27-02-2008, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GlendaleGuy What makes you so sure it wasn't a dunnock? You said the song was complex but you didn't say which species it was similar to, so I'm guessing that you are not very experienced at identifying birds by song/call alone.
The photo you took was so dark that you, yourself, were looking at nothing more than a silhouette until the WABbers enhanced it and we could make out something of its characteristics.
The latest enhancement is still a Dunnock for me. I can see the small notch in the tail and the white on the wing coverts, the fine bill and the characteristic overall shape.
Even juvenile robins have heavy marking on the breast, which this clearly hasn't.
The tail isn't long it's just perspective. Dunnocks characteristically depress their tails when perched on branches, so it has been presented squarer to the lense than the body.
But, hey, it's your photograph, if you want it to be an ostrich, it can be for you.
I thank you for posting it, as I never knew the humble hedge-sparrow could provide so much fun! |  okay calm down. Ill take you word for it.
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27-02-2008, 09:54 PM
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Dunnock................... |
28-02-2008, 11:16 AM
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easy - it's an LBJ. |
13-03-2008, 09:10 AM
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Juvenile robin |
13-03-2008, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Astra Or a female BlackCap, | looks like the winner to me
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13-03-2008, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tigger Juvenile robin | I have no doubts Tigger, I generally rescue 1 -2 each year that have been abandoned because their hedge nest has been destroyed by a farmers tractor trimmer.  (I also have pictures to compare the silhouette). | | | |
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