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Old 01-04-2006, 10:47 AM
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The durable pigeon!

Yesterday lunchtime I was driving along when I spotted a bird-like shape in a field - about 50m from the road. Initially I though it was probably a female pheasant - but on glancing sideways as I passd I saw that familiar raptor shape!

I managed to turn around about 500m down the road and drove past the other way. Yes - looks like a sparrowhawk tucking into something. But nowhere to pull over! Another 500m and I turned around in a farm entrance and drove back. A quick bump onto the kerb and I'm stopped in the right place.

It took me a while to drag my camera bag over the back seat, get the D200 out and swap to the 50-500mm Bigma. All the time Mrs Sparrowhawk looks like she's enjoying her dinner!

I got a shot through the car window but couldn't get a good angle so decided I'd have to risk getting out into traffic and try to get a shot from the back of the car. As I was wearing a bright red jacket I didn't hold up much hope of going unseen!

Out of the car slooooowly - ducking down to avoid popping up over the roof - getting some very strange looks from passing motorists!

I got a few hasty hand held shots at 500mm (wobble wobble) before Mrs Sparrowhawk spotted me - gave me the evil eye - and took off at top speed over the fields. About 2 seconds later and there was a flurry of feathers and the prey - a big pigeon - also took off and shot like an arrow in the opposite direction!

The photos are nothing much but I hope the story makes up for it







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Old 01-04-2006, 10:53 AM
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Re: The durable pigeon!

Fantastic shots Oy.

I think that Pigeon owes you big time mate.
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What a timely interruption and the photos are very good despite the circumstances
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Re: The durable pigeon!

Well spotted, lovely pictures,wish I had been there
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Old 03-04-2006, 12:10 PM
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Re: The durable pigeon!

Nice photos Oy.

I’ve spent a good while looking at these photos and all I can think of is Goshawk, Goshawk, Goshawk. That was my first impression.

A female sparrowhawk will prey on birds up to the size of a pigeon, but they have brown upperparts and the bird in the photos seems to have very grey upperparts. A male sparrowhawk does have grey uppers, but wouldn’t take anything as large as a pigeon and he also has a reddish, rusty-coloured barring across the chest, which isn’t present in the photos.

A male goshawk, being smaller than the female is of a similar size to a female sparrowhawk and has the grey colouring on the upperparts.

Both species possess the eye stripe and a barred tail, so that makes things a little harder.

I may be off the mark with this one, but I tend to think that bird you managed to photo was a male goshawk. That fierce stare. Oy, maybe you can tell us a bit more about the sizing of the bird.

Any one else got any views on this? Or am I on me own with this one.
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Old 03-04-2006, 12:44 PM
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Re: The durable pigeon!

Hi scholesy, agreed about the quality of the photo's - well done Oy, shows why you should always carry a camera (and a long lens ).



I've had a look at these images on the hosting site and enlarged them somewhat.

I don't see any sign of an eye stripe (supercilium) on this bird, just a highlight showing up; the bird looks quite dark-capped in fact.

The prey species is not Woodpigeon, it looks like a Stock Dove (Stock Pigeon) which is distinctly smaller.

On the only photo where the leg (tarsus) is showing reasonably well, it doesn't seem to be thick enough for Goshawk.



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Old 03-04-2006, 01:11 PM
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Re: The durable pigeon!

A female Goshawk is the size of a Buzzard. Although the male can be confused with a female Sparrowhawk, the male Goshawk is 25% larger in length and 3 to 4 times as heavy.

So in the picture it's either the largest Pigeon you'll ever see with a Male Goshawk! or a Female Sparrowhawk with a normal size Pigeon. The Hawk also has the typically googly Sparrowhawk eyes, and lacks the fiercer expression of a Goshawk.

I think I'd go for Sparrowhawk.
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Re: The durable pigeon!

I can see what you mean,I compared it with all the images I could find but the eye stripe is not as definite as it should be Sparrow hawk it is!
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Old 03-04-2006, 05:50 PM
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Re: The durable pigeon!

Yes - I'm sure this is a Sparrowhawk.

The pigeon was a fatty - but not as big as a Wood Pigeon.

Also - I've lived within 4 miles of this even all my 43 years, and have been birding since I was 8. I've yet to see a Goshawk here.
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Re: The durable pigeon!

I agree with female sparrowhawk, with those bright yellow eyes as opposed to the goshawks orange red eyes.
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