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09-07-2007, 05:06 PM
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I think this is some type of game bird, but which one? My books show nothing like this one. 
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09-07-2007, 05:17 PM
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I think it's a female Red Grouse. |
09-07-2007, 06:16 PM
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It's the colour I'm finding odd. All the illustrations I've found show much darker markings. If anything this images is slightly darker than I remember when I saw it. (Almost trod on it!) |
09-07-2007, 06:55 PM
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Whereabouts were you when you saw it, Graham? Red Grouse are likely to be on Moorland whereas this bird could be a young female Pheasant which would more likely be found on arable. Young pheasants are very variable and have fooled me more than once.
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09-07-2007, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by glsammy  I think this is some type of game bird, but which one? My books show nothing like this one.
Many thanks! | What size was it Graham?
looks a bit like a Quail to me.
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09-07-2007, 06:58 PM
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I must admit I thought quail, on the head shape especially |
09-07-2007, 06:59 PM
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Is it a juvenile Gray Partridge?
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09-07-2007, 07:01 PM
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I'd say it looks like a quail too! an escapee perhaps? |
09-07-2007, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wildone Whereabouts were you when you saw it, Graham? Red Grouse are likely to be on Moorland whereas this bird could be a young female Pheasant which would more likely be found on arable. Young pheasants are very variable and have fooled me more than once. | It was this afternoon in Clumber Park, on one of their Heathland areas. This is quite a large area. I did think of a young pheasant, and there certainly are pheasants in that area. There again, there's allsorts of bird life in it, as I've found over the last two days! I managed to get one shot of it in flight. It's not very good but it just might help in the id:  |
09-07-2007, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Oscar2006 What size was it Graham?
looks a bit like a Quail to me. | When I first came across it it was resting on the ground, I almost trod on it. It took off but didn't go far at all. It was smaller than an adult pheasant, quail size far nearer the mark. It was on its own, no other bird of similar type or size was near it. It made no sound when it flew off, apart from flapping wings that is!  |
09-07-2007, 07:36 PM
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Not 100 per cent, but I'm going for young female Pheasant. Quail are really tiny, not much bigger than a House Sparrow.
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09-07-2007, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveHL Is it a juvenile Gray Partridge?
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09-07-2007, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisJB Not 100 per cent, but I'm going for young female Pheasant. Quail are really tiny, not much bigger than a House Sparrow.
Regards, Chris | Absolutely, thats why some idea of size would have been helpful 
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09-07-2007, 08:20 PM
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Its not a female phesant not got a long tail, not the native quail to large and different plumage, but its got a totally different bill to a red grouse. 
think maybe a hen pheasant
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09-07-2007, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Oscar2006 Absolutely, thats why some idea of size would have been helpful | Unfortunately the bird flew off as soon as I got my tape measure out, inconsiderate bird 
As for overall size, I hadn't realised Quails were so small, so forget my reference to them.
Having looked through my book, I'd say the size was more like a Corncrake, i.e. around 27cm. I'm obviously not for a moment suggesting it's a Corncrake, just using that for a size comparison. |
09-07-2007, 09:35 PM
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could be juvenile grey partridge, they've turned up in funnier places, but going of the shape of the bill i'm more inclined to go with juvenile pheasant. i don't know....either way its a funny colour!
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09-07-2007, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by almostnormal could be juvenile grey partridge, they've turned up in funnier places, but going of the shape of the bill i'm more inclined to go with juvenile pheasant. i don't know....either way its a funny colour! | Yep, it was the colour that had me beat. Hence the post here! I know we all love a challenge! |
10-07-2007, 04:49 AM
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Hi,
I don't think you can take any notice of colour nowadays, we have pheasants over the lakes that are so pale they're almost white [pale gold perhaps], we think they are a Lady Amherst cross, but they could be escapees from The Child Beale Trust about 8 miles upstream on the Thames.
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10-07-2007, 05:17 AM
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Hi,
On looking at the colour again,[the second photo flying] it's nearly the colour of our pheasants, we mainly see them at a distance after dog has put them up, but as you said no long tail.
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10-07-2007, 05:17 AM
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Could it be a leucistic gamebird-not entirely white, just a bit faded looking? In which case perhaps a female pheasant.
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10-07-2007, 05:48 AM
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could it be a corn crake looks like one |
10-07-2007, 05:54 AM
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just looked in the gallery it does look like a corncrake if it is its rare |
10-07-2007, 06:38 AM
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Looks like a juvenile pheasant to me.
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10-07-2007, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dragonfly just looked in the gallery it does look like a corncrake if it is its rare | Definately not a Corncrake, head shape, eye and bill are all wrong for that.
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10-07-2007, 08:01 AM
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i used to have some quails in my avairy the chinese painted were about house sparrrow size but also i had some that were about half the size of a partidge and in various colours i cant remember what sort they were though they looked similar to the bird in the picture so maybe its an escapee | | | |
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