carrion crow found, need help!!!!

[gembabey2k2000]

hi all, we live in the countryside in herts and my mum found what looked like a drunken crow in the road. She brought it back, and i examined it as i know alot about birds, and one wing make craky noises and it wouldnt retract it, the other was fine.so i adviced her to take it too the vet, she did, but she took it to the "bad vets", the reason i call it that is because the guy knows nothing about birds, and cant even put down a chicken properly! he stabbed her 8 times all over the place because he couldnt find a vain, and in 30 mins her body was dead but she was still alive(he's also done this with a pigeon) Anyway he said this bird was a jack door and that his should bone has somhow dropped down around its skin and truned down to the bottom of thegut by the tail!!!!!!! i think not! this is impossible and the bird wouldnt have survived. mum ran me up from the vets and i looked at a birds skeleton on the web and said he's incorrect. he unfortunatly heard this as mums mobiles turned up! so he said what about a second apinion, the chief vet came out and said that the birds ok, and the wing will set but he might not be able to use it anymore. so now we have a carrion crow (not jack door) sitting in a box not quite knowing what to do with it except keeping away from its very long and pointy beak! can anyone help? its fully grown has a tight grip, very alert, but doesnt have alot of ballance because they strapped its wing up in sellotape, and the strapping goes all the way around the body, and in front of his legs.

Thank you

Sarah

p.s pictures on the way, if i can figure out how to post one!!!

[matt_xyz]

blimey, it's difficult to know what to suggest. I think I would try to find some animal rescue shelters in your area who you can ring. They may either be able to take the bird in or at least offer some advice.

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Matt

[bendog]

Look for wildlife rescue in your area. They will have both the space and the expertise to allow the bird to recover (if that is going to happen) or to allow it to live in safety.

[gembabey2k2000]

i've contacted quite a few few rescue centres far and wide and they all say they do not have the facilities to keep this kind of crow, nor the room. but tiddlywinkles said they will ringe me a bit later once one of their bird experts come in so she can give me advice, but apart from that, i'm stuck!! i've posted the piccys now, thanks for the advice!

sarah

[smartie]

I don't know where you live in Herts but contacting this person may be a possibility. If she can't help she may know who could. I don't know of her personally, but found her address on the web.

CROW CASUALTY
Mrs Susan Mintram-Mason, 4 Club Cottage , Burnham Green , WELWYN , Hertfordshire
Tel: 01438 79526 .
Apparently she specialises in corvids, and deals with all wild birds excluding raptors.

[gembabey2k2000]

there are not enough numbers on the telephone number you left, could you please write it again?
thanks!

[smartie]

Oops, sorry. It appears to be - 01438 798526

[gembabey2k2000]

perfect i'll ring now!

[Vixen]

I not exsert but sound like a badly broken wing, dout it will ever recover (but could be very wrong about that)

did you get through to the Crow place what did they say???

[Deer Hunter]

From what you say I don't think this bird has got much of a future. I spent 22 years running a wildlife Rescue Centre until I retired, in that time I've come to learn that creatures such as this are better relieved of their suffering.
I have always adopted the policy that all creatures deserve a quality of life - possibly being confined to a cage for the next six or seven years is no life for any wild creature

Deer Hunter

[Gill Catton]

I 'rescued' a rook a couple of years ago with a broken wing and took it to a wildlife rescue centre. I know they would care for it and fix it up if possible which is brilliant but I also know that they keep birds that can never be released. For a bird as intelligent as a crow or a rook - that is an adult and has live in the wild for all of that time, I don't think i would be comfortable with it spending the rest of its life in an aviary......... Maybe if it was a baby and it had never experianced living freely it might be ok, but otherwise it seems a bit cruel to me, almost kinder to stop its suffering because I think being effectively trapped in an aviary would be suffering to a bird like a crow but I know this is interpretation is subjective, I just don't like the thought of animals born in the wild, being in cages.

[gembabey2k2000]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYONES ADVICE! well i spent most of my day ringing around and the number above that was given to me above ^ was great, the lady on the other end gave us alot of advise and told us to ring this vet in stevenage who is very good with birds. so i did and i'm taking this bird there today. they said from what we have told them they can proberly fix his wing, they said he sound very healthy, and they will take him in and keep him in a big avarie in the garden out back. they said they will keep him for free untill he can fly again, and then they will ring us and we can release the bird back where we found him! sounds perfect lets just hope all this change doesnt shock him, as we all know how birds get when shocked!

thanks again for everyones advice.

Take care all

Sarah

[nightshade]

Congratulations Sarah on your determination (I am a fan of Corvids)
regards nightshade
PS there are six Jackdaws one Rook a Crow and a Magpie in the garden at the moment

[Za]

Sounds like a great outcome,I hope all goes to plan and you get the privilege of releasing it again,please keep us informed.
Za