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21-10-2008, 10:39 PM
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| | | Photographing star trails This is fun!
I've always been rather fond of star trail photos but very rarely get the opportunity. Here in the south east there's far too much light polution and a one hour exposure will give you a bright orange wash and not much else. But there is another way! In the last edition of Practical Photography there was an article on how to combine multiple images to get the same effect. I had a crack at it in my garden tonight and here's the result...
What you do is set your camera to continuous shooting mode, set the exposure to 30 seconds with a suitable aperture (I used f5.6) then use a cable release with a lock on it to set it going. My D300 will take a maximum of 100 shots like this but if I was there as it finished I could immediately set it going again.
When it had finished I put the lens cap on and took a final 30 second exposure as a dark frame for noise reduction, although as I was using ISO 200 the noise was not too bad anyway.
I was shooting in raw as I always do so loaded the shots into lightroom and exported them all as tiffs. Then the final stage is to combine them all into a single image. A very nice chap by the name of Achim Schaller has written a program to do this and it's available free from www.Startrails.de-Home. You can even watch the trails building up while it runs, which is fun!  When it's finished you can save the result as a tiff, jpeg or bitmap.
When viewed at 100% you can see that the lines are made up of a series of dots...
and this effect gets more pronounced as you get further away from the pole star. But even so, I'm dead impressed as I never thought I could get shots like this from where I live without a major power outage across the whole of Greater London!
Next step is to find something much more interesting than the top of my bay tree for the foreground...
Dave P.
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21-10-2008, 11:05 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Dave, wicked pics, i've always wanted to try star trails shots but never got round to it. You may have inspired me to try.............when it finally stops bleeding raining!
You did say what lens you used for your shots?
Do you think the same effect could be achieved by doing an HDR merge in photoshop (or in my case PaintshopPro)?
Andy | 
21-10-2008, 11:32 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails I used a 16-85mm Nikkor right down at the 16mm end of the zoom.
A couple of other things I forgot to mention:
1. I had three aircraft fly past with blinking lights on their wings that I had to clone out of the final image.
2. You need a fair chunk of available disc space during the process to do it using raws and tiffs like I did. (If you shoot jpegs to start with it's not so much of an issue.) When I had all 101 raws and tiffs on my disc they came to very nearly 10Gb. I've deleted them all now and just kept one DNG version (11Mb) of the final image which I've imported back into lightroom
Don't know if HDR merge will do it. The magazine article says that you can stack the images on top of each other in Photoshop (I assume they mean using layers) and then change the blending mode to "Lighten". But they also say that with so many images to stack "this can prove tedious". I bet!
I hope you do have a go Andy (and I hope it stops raining soon!) If you do, don't forget to post the results here...
Dave P.
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22-10-2008, 07:38 AM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Thanks for the info Dave. I suspect HDR merge won't work but worth a try. I did download the merge software you linked to but not sure it'll work on windows vista? Might end up trying to stack them manually..........if and when it stops raining (not a great deal of chance of that at the moment here!) | 
22-10-2008, 08:47 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Quote:
Originally Posted by Highlander71 not sure it'll work on windows vista? | I'm using Vista and it works fine - no problems!
I've only ever tried it twice, Cutecoot, once in Scotland and once in Canada. Both times I was using film and the Canadian ones were okay. I'll definitely be trying this again when weather permits. I've also realised that my camera was set to low speed continuous shooting at 3 frames per second. If I set it to high speed at six frames per second that should help reduce the dotted line effect that's visible when viewing the result at 100%
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22-10-2008, 08:55 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails This is like a work of art, it's beautiful.
I also find the Bay Tree of interest. It looks so clear and in focus. Presumably it did not move much during the whole event - I mean in the breeze? | 
22-10-2008, 09:06 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails This is really interesting Dave, only wish I had the know how/patience... maybe one day, will save your link tho, maybe one day...
Your results are great tho 
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22-10-2008, 09:52 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Thanks both!
I was surprised at how well the bay tree came out too. It was a very still night last night but even so, I was expecting a bit more movement than that.
Dave P.
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22-10-2008, 11:45 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Quote:
Originally Posted by Hedge Witch This is like a work of art, it's beautiful.
I also find the Bay Tree of interest. It looks so clear and in focus. Presumably it did not move much during the whole event - I mean in the breeze? | These types of image really need a strong sillouette (sp?) in the foreground, a church or bridge or something. | 
23-10-2008, 10:30 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Definitely! The one above was just a test to see if it was as easy to do as the mag suggested - it was! I've already got a few ideas for locations with much more interesting foregrounds.
Another good tip is to point your camera northwards and try to get the pole star in frame or just off the edge. That way you get more curved trails.
Dave P.
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23-10-2008, 11:01 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Quote:
Originally Posted by pressld2 Definitely! The one above was just a test to see if it was as easy to do as the mag suggested - it was! I've already got a few ideas for locations with much more interesting foregrounds.
Another good tip is to point your camera northwards and try to get the pole star in frame or just off the edge. That way you get more curved trails.
Dave P. | Look forward to seeing your next shots soon! .........still raining here! | 
25-10-2008, 05:43 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Another beautiful clear night last night - but cold! I spent 2 hours in a graveyard to get this shot...
I'm pleased with this one - a much more interesting foreground and I managed to get the pole star in frame again.
A few more tips to impart from last night's experience:
1. Dress warm and take coffee!
2. Make sure your tripod is rock solid from the start. I was set up on fairly soft ground and my tripod settled during the first 5 shots which meant all my star trails had little hooks on them! I excluded them from the merge and only used 195 of the 200 frames to create the final image.
3. Shoot after 10pm if possible. This one was taken at Farnborough in Kent which is very close to Biggin Hill and also on the flight path into Gatwick. During my shooting (which started at approx 8:20) a total of 41 aircraft flew past and contaminated 74 shots. These all had to be manually cloned out before merging the images. But there were only 2 or 3 images in the last 50 (after 9:30) that needed to be cleaned because the later it gets the fewer flights there are.
It's cloudy tonight with rain forecast for tomorrow. Not sure whe I'll get another chance to play.
Dave P.
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25-10-2008, 05:57 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Dave that is one stunning shot  Absolutely gorgeous, tho not sure I'd stand in a graveyard during the dark for 2 mins let alone 2 hours
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25-10-2008, 08:49 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Quote:
Originally Posted by pressld2 Another beautiful clear night last night - but cold! I spent 2 hours in a graveyard to get this shot...
I'm pleased with this one - a much more interesting foreground and I managed to get the pole star in frame again.
A few more tips to impart from last night's experience:
1. Dress warm and take coffee!
2. Make sure your tripod is rock solid from the start. I was set up on fairly soft ground and my tripod settled during the first 5 shots which meant all my star trails had little hooks on them! I excluded them from the merge and only used 195 of the 200 frames to create the final image.
3. Shoot after 10pm if possible. This one was taken at Farnborough in Kent which is very close to Biggin Hill and also on the flight path into Gatwick. During my shooting (which started at approx 8:20) a total of 41 aircraft flew past and contaminated 74 shots. These all had to be manually cloned out before merging the images. But there were only 2 or 3 images in the last 50 (after 9:30) that needed to be cleaned because the later it gets the fewer flights there are.
It's cloudy tonight with rain forecast for tomorrow. Not sure whe I'll get another chance to play.
Dave P. | Dave, absolutely stunning shot, you should be very proud! We haven't had a clear night for 2 weeks up here and it's rained pretty much non-stop 
Don't have many churches round here and i'm struggling to think of a decent foreground although perhaps the girder bridge over Loch Leven at ballachulish (if you've ever been up this way?)
Keep up the good work, you have a saleable photo there!
Andy | 
08-11-2008, 07:33 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Quote:
Originally Posted by pressld2 I spent 2 hours in a graveyard to get this shot...
Dave P. |  Rather you than me, Dave
Great shot though, so well worth it | 
22-10-2008, 11:43 PM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Quote:
Originally Posted by pressld2 I'm using Vista and it works fine - no problems!
I've only ever tried it twice, Cutecoot, once in Scotland and once in Canada. Both times I was using film and the Canadian ones were okay. I'll definitely be trying this again when weather permits. I've also realised that my camera was set to low speed continuous shooting at 3 frames per second. If I set it to high speed at six frames per second that should help reduce the dotted line effect that's visible when viewing the result at 100%
Dave P. | Good news it works on Vista, i'll give it a try if it EVER stops raining here! | 
22-10-2008, 09:00 AM
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| | | Re: Photographing star trails Quote:
Originally Posted by pressld2 This is fun!  | Wow, this *does* sound like fun, Dave!
I remember (when I were just a wee nipper  ) being absolutely fascinated when I saw how star trails could be photographed .. never quite got around to doing it though  This looks like a great way of doing it, so will give it a go sometime |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Hybrid Mode |
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