[freefeet]

I really can't see that it matters much. Nature is going to f*** us up really badly before long anyway.

Whether it be climate change, super volcanos, magnetosphere collapse and reversal, big rock from space, global pandemic, doesn't really matter, there's simply too many human beings on this Earth and we're going to suffer for it when the time comes.

It's inevitable that the climate will change, and it's pretty clear that it is if people think back a few decades and compare the weather now. How much humans contributed to this change is irrelevant. What's relevant is what are we going to do when the pooh hits the fan?

To say it's happened before so it's fine is the most ridiculous position to take when one considers the difference in the global situation.

Last time there was an ice age you could count hominids in the hundreds of thousands and they were spread out over huge areas with incredible amounts of varying resources available to them, and even then you can bet your last penny that a great many were wiped out with the changing environment. This time the climate changes, whether up or down in temp, you have to consider that there's 6.5 billion humans with no space between them, millions packed into battery farms called cities with totally inadequate resources available. Nearly all our food is mass produced from a very narrow seed stock of species which is incredibly vulnerable to disease and pests, and most of that food is processed because a great many humans are no longer capable of processing natural food. Most people can't even take raw wheat and make a loaf of bread.

We've allowed our species to become conditioned to be totally reliant upon a system, capitalism, that is incapable of dealing with a global disaster such as climate change.

My personal view is that we don't have until 2050 to sort things out, we've already gone past the point of no return. Too many people are demanding too much from too little a planet and that is our undoing.

I do however believe that people will survive, some people at least. But if you look into the genetic record of our species, i believe we were beaten down to tens of thousands the last time the Earth had a tantrum - consider the environment having the power to make 6.5 billion people into 50,000 in a matter of years.

In its arrogance Homo sapiens has turned its back on the Natural world, thinking that it is the most powerful force on the Earth, i think we're in for a rude awakening when Nature lets us know just who the real force is here.

So what can we really do about it? Only one thing in my mind and that is to learn to live without the need for the capitalist system. Those who have removed all dependency upon the system will be the ones best equipped to survive when the system collapses - and it will collapse!

As Jesus once said, "The meek shall inherit the Earth". I believe he meant meek towards our environment.