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Old 17-03-2009, 12:11 AM
meinchewster meinchewster is offline
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Re: Is the earth really dying?

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Originally Posted by eeyore View Post
well at least you've seen the light now

seriously tho i completely support your right to believe what you like - but it is difficult to find a credible scientist who isnt in the pay of the oil companies or the american far right who supports your line of argument.

for example in your original post you mention the "hockey stick" presumably in the context of it now being disproved - as made much of on many AGW denier websites . However a new study carried out in the last year totally refutes this and shows that the hockey stick is in fact broadly accurate, and the arguments against it grossly flawed.

I am all for your advocation that people should examine all the evidence and make up their own minds - but the stress here is all the evidence not just that put by one side or the other, and not rhetoric or flawed science propogated on many websites (and yes some of the poor science can be found on some of the pro AGW sites too)

for example polar bear populations are not reducing (yet) - but the sea ice is melting which is pushing the bear more onto land, which is causing them problems hunting and thus pushing them more into conflict with man. (check out the canadian and norwegian wildlife dept records)

average global temperatures have not actually fallen in the last ten years - they trended way up through the industrial revolution , blipped slightly downwards and are now going up again - this kind of thing is easily found on reputable meterological and scientific websites and if you dont trust the graphs found on line get the raw data and plot it yourself

average british temperatures have fallen slightly over the last ten years butthis is irrelevant as the GW issue relates to the global mean not the local - in fact if AGW causes the odden feature to melt and not reform the gulfstream will move and britain will be significantly colder in the medium term (on a par with coastal labrador) - but this won't mean that AGW isnt happening.

so yes dont trust what you are told ( by either side), do your own research and then make your own mind up - but bear the consequence in mind, if the AGW proponents are wrong fossil fuels are still running out so developing alternate technologies and lessening our dependence on them can only be a good thing , however if they are right but we chose to stick our heads in the sand because it is more comfortable then the consequence could be dire.

the planet wont die whatever we do , but runaway global warming could in the worst case spell human extinction. (which might not be a bad thing for the planet , but its not something any of us want to experience)
Nicely put eeyore, but to be honest I refuse to stand on the fence on issue of global warming, in the face of SO MUCH evidence, glacial melts being at record highs, extreme weather events etc, it is astonishing that some have the bottle for such scepticsm, and even with the evidence on show being massively biased toward the reality of human induced global warming some still deny it, what could be the motivation of this denial, do these people just want to drive hummers?
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