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Originally Posted by mykonik  Hi John - were these found recently ?
The bottom one is (surprise !) a Psathyrella ! With the apendiculate veil fragments and the general 'jizz' probably Psathyrella marcescibilis !
I don't think that it fits P. candolleana in any of it's numerous forms due to the conic pileus !
It is very under-recorded but not actually infrequent at this trime of the year.
BUT it is a Psathyrella thus the usual comments about microscopy still apply BIG TIME !! 
The top one is, as you correctly say, a Pluteus but without microscopy of the cap structure we are on to a non-starter re: species !
What I can say is that is NOT one of the cervinus group and, despite the somewaht 'wrinkled' appearence to the pileus not P. thomsonii either !
Nick  |
Hi Nick
Yes, both were found on 07_06_08.
The pluteus species were growing in large numbers whilst the Psathyrella were in smaller numbers. It is a surprise too!
Maybe I should revisit and collect some of both for further study
Thanks again Nick
John
PS Just checked and I have a few fruit bodies of the Psathyrella species.